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  Why Evolution Is True--something that scares me

  by DS211 in

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  so im reading "why evokution is true" by coyne and the page im on is talking about darwin and natural selection:.

  "but natural selection was also the part of evolutionary theory con- sidered most revolutionary in darwins time, and it is still unsettling to many.

  selection is both revolutionary and disturbing for the same reason: it explains apparent design in nature by a purely materialistic process that doesnt require creation or guidance by supernatural forces.

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  Black Sheep

  If God stole the legs off the serpent in the Garden of Eden, how many of our current snakes are descended from that one common ancestor?

  If they are all descended from that snake, how do creationists explain the differences without evolution?

  
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  The argument JW`s use for animal predators on land , what argument do they have for marine predators ?

  by smiddy in

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  Black Sheep

  LOL at Billy.

  A Dub just handed me that one a couple of days ago. Apparently, God created the 'nice' critters and Satan is to blame for the nasties.
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  Conversation-stopper STOPPERS needed!

  by DS211 in

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  i have to get active.

  my wife told me we have hospitality this weekend and i know the jw slingshot mechanism will engage after attendance.

  so i have to get ready.

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  Take it sloooow

  Resist the urge to do anything that the WT has warned her to be on the watch for. Especially avoid overload.

  Ask a question that is important to her, not you, then let it fester on it's own without any distractions from you.
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  New here and having ah ha moments!

  by Angus Beef in

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  what made you realize it was time to go?

  i've been having health problems for the last few years and instead of any help, i'm listed as spiritually weak and of course associations is only my kids and husband.

  all the good jw's have moved to other congregations and are doing well.

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  Black Sheep

  Welcome to our nightmare, Angus Beef

  The best suggestion I can come up with is to do whatever it takes to keep up the facade of Trooo Believer.

  You need to have an exit plan that works for you. Outing yourself as 'weak in the faith' will cut off a lot of options and I recommend saving that for much later, especially as you have kids that may run for the safety of the 'compound' if they know where you are really at.

  Shut up for now

  Educate yourself

  Make a plan

  Softly, softly, catchee monkey
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  If God did answer prayers would the world change much?

  by usualusername in

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  let me know your thoughts believers and others too!.

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  uun.

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  The day god answers my fathers prayers, there'll be 7 billion corpses stinking the place up.
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  My brother died yesterday

  by satinka in

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  "albert" was 55 years old, and the fifth-born of seven children.

  i am the second oldest and babysat him often while he was growing up --- and while i was still at home.. yesterday, albert was out taking his usual morning stroll around his small town, when he collapsed on the sidewalk.

  the doctors said it was a heart attack.

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  Sad news Satinka. My condolenses to you and your family

  Chris
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  Question for apostates!

  by TheStumbler in

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  i have a question.. the conventional wisdom seems to be that to 'convert' a jehovah's witness (or get them to see ttatt) you have to ask questions that they cannot answer and engage with their true personality not their 'cult personality'.. intellectual arguments tend to fall flat because jws (who do not already have personal doubts) believe they already know the absolute truth so anything contrary to that truth is nessecarily wrong.

  any criticism of their beliefs will be seen as an attack or persecution and will be dismissed as flawed 'human thinking' or 'apostate lies'.. to 'true believers' any amount of contrary evidence and illogical inconsistencies in their beliefs can be dismissed or explained away.

  their starting point is that they have special knowledge of absolute truth and all evidence and arguments are then weighed against this preconceived belief.. here is my question.

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  Black Sheep

  I'm not an apostate of any church as I never joined one.

  Trying to extract a cult member from any cult using tactics that the leaders have warned them about is pretty much futile. It only has any real chance of working when the member already has doubts.

  You have to try and get to them while they are trying to convert you, not when they are trying to protect their delusions, themselves, their families and their fellow cult members from you.
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  The medical specialist told me something alarming today. Pretty bummed.

  by Julia Orwell in

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  so i've been going to doctors for years with chronic fatigue, a condition i managed ok but which took a drastic nose dive in late 2011 to 2012 to the point where i could barely function.

  work was part of the problem, so at the end of that year i left that stressful environment.

  but in the meantime, for the last few years i've been going to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists and psychologists and undergoing every sort of blood test you can imagine and seeing all sorts of medical people.

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  I know someone travelling the same road and suspect that they would come to the same conclusion if they would let themselves consider it.
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  How would you respond?

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  ok so this is a conversation that i am having with a friend that i really love.

  i have some points that i want to say but tell me, how would you respond to this email?.

  not gonna try to defend anyone i can really only speak for myself.

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  Black Sheep

  Ask for an example of an article that demonstrates that Asa's pursuing a degree is supported by the WT, that she should be supported by the congregation for decision, and that anyone who gives her a hard time is out of line with official policy.

  Don't give her multiple questions to choose from. Already know the official answer so that she can't trick you.
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  Number of anointed partakers in new yearbook?

  by JWOP in

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  i haven't seen the 2014 yearbook on the jw site yet.

  i'm looking to see if the number of partakers has increased again (as it has for many years now).

  anyone have a scan of it yet?.

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  Black Sheep

  Some of the 144,000 already launched, have gotten bored with sitting on their clouds waiting for something to do and have defected, therefore new partakers are to be expected for their replacements.